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Topic: TVP to clampdown on headlight flashing
Posted By: Dave-R
Subject: TVP to clampdown on headlight flashing
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 5:16pm
Its in the Bucks Ad. You know the score you re approaching a speed trap and motorists are flashing their headlights to warn you. I dont see the problem, you slow down,if you re going too fast, and are no longer breaking the limit and are apparently safetly driving. But no apparently police WANT people to break the law and dont want you stop them and will be dishing out fines for those caught flashing their lights.
Shame we cant have clampdowns on muggers, yobbos and burglars.



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Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 5:29pm

am i not right in thinking there is a highway code.....-so here it is, 

 there is an arm signal to notify other drivers/ road users you are about to reduce speed or even stop... so if you comply with the highway code and  wave your arms as you slow down  ( and this has the secondary effect of warning oncoming drivers something is ahead....eg a speed trap) surely no offence has been comitted !Big%20smile
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The Highway Code

Signals (103-112)

103

Signals warn and inform other road users, including pedestrians (see 'Signals to other road users'), of your intended actions. You should always

  • give clear signals in plenty of time, having checked it is not misleading to signal at that time
  • use them to advise other road users before changing course or direction, stopping or moving off
  • cancel them after use
  • make sure your signals will not confuse others. If, for instance, you want to stop after a side road, do not signal until you are passing the road. If you signal earlier it may give the impression that you intend to turn into the road. Your brake lights will warn traffic behind you that you are slowing down
  • use an arm signal to emphasise or reinforce your signal if necessary. Remember that signalling does not give you priority


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Posted By: timo_w2s
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 5:44pm
I keep seeing time and time again comments about various local communities who want these speed checks and think speeding is a problem on our local roads. Therefore if the majority want the police to actively hand out fines and slow down traffic doing a few mph over the limit then who am I to argue? Maybe I was wrong and maybe it is a major problem and we'll all really benefit from these fines and points. But whatever the case may be, I'm not going to bother worrying about it any more. (And the majority on here can breath a sigh of relief that one less person will be posting about speeding)

However, I'll still take the risk of a telling off or a £30 fine for warning others if I see a speed trap. It would be rude not to.

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Posted By: kermie55
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 5:56pm
You mean I cant flash my headlights to get the middle lane w**kers out the way????


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 6:15pm
Nor can you flash to say thank you down Welders lane when someone lets you pass as a POLICE CAR did to me today! They flashed and raised their hand! If we want to get picky thats inappropriate use of headlights and taking hands off the wheel.


Posted By: watsy
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 8:57pm
There was a speed trap on the beaconsfield / amersham road today - useless piece of information


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 9:56pm
They re often there. ANPR traps (which i have no problem with as it catches those who feel they dont need to pay tax or insurance) are often there too


Posted By: Rich Kid
Date Posted: 20†September†2012 at 11:10pm
In the list of Police priorities, e.g., murder, rape, GBH, paedophilia, domestic violence, burglary, etc why do the Police spend their precious and finite resources on speed traps - answer: revenue generation.
I'm not condoning over-the-limit speeding but I do wonder about their REAL motives.
Like Dave I have no problem with ANPR traps because there are estimated to be in excess of 1 million uninsured/untaxed vehicles on the road that need to be dealt with.


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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 21†September†2012 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by timo_w2s timo_w2s wrote:

However, I'll still take the risk of a telling off or a £30 fine for warning others if I see a speed trap. It would be rude not to.
 
It's not a £30 fine.
 
"Michael Thompson was pulled over by officers in Grimsby, north-east Lincolnshire, in July after flashing at several oncoming cars to warn them about the speed gun.

Thompson, of St Augustine Avenue, Grimsby, was charged with wilfully obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties and found guilty when he appeared at Grimsby Magistrates' Court last week.

He was fined £175 and ordered to pay £250 costs and a £15 victim surcharge after the half-day hearing."

 
 


Posted By: timo_w2s
Date Posted: 21†September†2012 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by Malc London Malc London wrote:

Originally posted by timo_w2s timo_w2s wrote:

However, I'll still take the risk of a telling off or a £30 fine for warning others if I see a speed trap. It would be rude not to. [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle" />


It's not a £30 fine.


"Michael Thompson was pulled over by officers in Grimsby, north-east Lincolnshire, in July after flashing at several oncoming cars to warn them about the speed gun.
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Thompson, of St Augustine Avenue, Grimsby, was charged with wilfully obstructing a police officer in the course of her duties and found guilty when he appeared at Grimsby Magistrates' Court last week.


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He was fined £175 and ordered to pay £250 costs and a £15 victim surcharge after the half-day hearing."




Eek, I was just going by what the Bucks Ad article said. Oh well I'll just run away to Finland and never come back.

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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 21†September†2012 at 7:10pm
Well at least it kept three traffic cops off the road for half a day.




Posted By: tobic
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 1:20pm
I was flashed by a Police car the other day, the driver pointing to his speedo to tell me to slow down, I was going about 8/10 k's over............
at least the cops are civilised over here...

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Posted By: rescued
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 1:39pm
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that if motorists are warning other road users there's a speed trap, it completely defeats the object of having one. The whole idea of a speed trap is to deter speeding, something which is obviously needed locally considering the amount of people on here who think that they're entitled to drive over the limit, and it's not going to be much of a deterrent if people can avoid speed traps.

By the way, warning other motorists of a speed trap http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_justice_offences_incorporating_the_charging_standard/#a26 - constitutes obstructing a police officer.


Posted By: oldchris
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by rescued rescued wrote:

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that if motorists are warning other road users there's a speed trap, it completely defeats the object of having one. The whole idea of a speed trap is to deter speeding, something which is obviously needed locally considering the amount of people on here who think that they're entitled to drive over the limit, and it's not going to be much of a deterrent if people can avoid speed traps.

By the way, warning other motorists of a speed trap http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_justice_offences_incorporating_the_charging_standard/#a26 - constitutes obstructing a police officer.
people warning others does just that...Confused


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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by rescued rescued wrote:

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that if motorists are warning other road users there's a speed trap, it completely defeats the object of having one. The whole idea of a speed trap is to deter speeding,


Not true. If it was to deter speeding then motorists warning others to slow down wouldn't be a problem. Even a police car parked reduces speeding. A speed trap is to generate money and punish drivers, not deter speeding.




Posted By: rescued
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 4:10pm
I think the idea is that if you're nicked for speeding, you might think twice before doing it again. If you're warned of a speed trap, you can slow down as you go past and then put your foot down again. It's not designed to victimise motorists, it's designed to victimise self-entitled people who think that only certain laws should apply to them.


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 5:34pm
Which is 80% of drivers, including some police officers.


Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 22†September†2012 at 5:38pm
If only the penalties for housebreaking or mugging were as strict as for going a few mph over the limit, and as much resource.


Posted By: kermie55
Date Posted: 23†September†2012 at 8:00pm
Speeding fines area TAX. The good part is it is a VOLUNTARY TAX, I don't speed therefore I don't pay,if you don't want to pay, don't speed. Very simple really.


Posted By: timo_w2s
Date Posted: 23†September†2012 at 8:37pm
In Switzerland they call it the "go faster" tax.

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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 23†September†2012 at 8:51pm
Originally posted by kermie55 kermie55 wrote:

Speeding fines area TAX. The good part is it is a VOLUNTARY TAX, I don't speed therefore I don't pay,if you don't want to pay, don't speed. Very simple really.


Many people inadvertently go over the limit for sometimes only a few minutes. As the majority of drivers break the speed limit, it shows the limits are often too low.

Pleased to see the A40 reduction to 50 mph westbound has reverted to 70mph.


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 24†September†2012 at 8:30am
Originally posted by rescued rescued wrote:

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that if motorists are warning other road users there's a speed trap, it completely defeats the object of having one. The whole idea of a speed trap is to deter speeding, something which is obviously needed locally considering the amount of people on here who think that they're entitled to drive over the limit, and it's not going to be much of a deterrent if people can avoid speed traps.

By the way, warning other motorists of a speed trap http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_justice_offences_incorporating_the_charging_standard/#a26 - constitutes obstructing a police officer.
Oh right!! So we re not to intervene if we see an offence being commited, so next time i see 2 officers being thrown around by a drugged up lunatic in Watford i wont help them deck him like i did last time ill stand and watch so as not to "obstruct a police officer."
By flashing you re lights you re saying "oi slow down" and ive done that on a few occasions where theres no speed trap anywhere around.


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 24†September†2012 at 8:31am
Originally posted by kermie55 kermie55 wrote:

Speeding fines area TAX. The good part is it is a VOLUNTARY TAX, I don't speed therefore I don't pay,if you don't want to pay, don't speed. Very simple really.
This discussion isnt about people being fined for speeding its about them being fined for that heineous crime of flashing their headlights. Also one poster on here says he often honks his horn and shakes his fist when he sees someone driving on their phone.Is that not the same sort of thing?


Posted By: Libtek
Date Posted: 02†October†2012 at 11:30am
I personally would rather the police did something about the idiots who use their mobile phones while driving. Every single day while driving to work I see at least 4 or 5 people doing this.  To my mind this is more dangerous than speeding but it's more difficult to spot, so i have no doubt the police will still continue to target speeders or people flashing their lights, which is the easier option 

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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 02†October†2012 at 8:42pm
I'd rather the Police catch criminals.


Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 02†October†2012 at 8:47pm
speeding is technically a crime ......so your are sorted malc.....they are doing what you want them to do ...

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Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 03†October†2012 at 9:26am
Apprently, this is what ive been told, speeding is an offence whereas say burglary is a crime.


Posted By: phisch21
Date Posted: 03†October†2012 at 11:02am
Yep - you don't get a criminal record for speeding but you do for burglary


Posted By: DanW
Date Posted: 03†October†2012 at 8:51pm
Originally posted by phisch21 phisch21 wrote:

Yep - you don't get a criminal record for speeding but you do for burglary



Depends how fast you are going!

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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 03†October†2012 at 10:15pm
Santos reportedly drove up to 145mph and was fined.


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 04†October†2012 at 9:10am
AMir Khan did 155 and was fined and banned!


Posted By: Sweet Pea
Date Posted: 06†October†2012 at 7:37pm
Dont get caught flashing your lights down Bottrells lane or Hodgemoor Woods.......or so I've heard......


Posted By: moggies
Date Posted: 07†October†2012 at 2:00am
I believe flashing is not allowed at any time or any place.
 
Whether this includes using the lights on your car I really couldn't say.


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Posted By: tobic
Date Posted: 07†October†2012 at 12:56pm
Or whether you use a raincoat or not....lol

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Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 22†October†2012 at 5:39pm
Im just reading that police are to be more lenient to people growing cannabis!!! Dangerous, mind altering, life destroying cannabis! Yet they re cracking down on headlight flashing! What a sick joke.


Posted By: FayR
Date Posted: 22†October†2012 at 10:34pm
I take it with all your interest in what the police do that you will be voting and taking time to see which is best candidate for your local police and crime commissioner?!


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 22†October†2012 at 11:10pm
Of course i will. Especially as the police themselves are anti having a commioner as it ll make them more accountable and im going to encourage everyone i know to vote for a commisioner.
Here are the candidates
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19503420 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19503420
 
As for your comment in taking an interest in what police do, they get £400 a year off me so yes i do take an interest in what they do.


Posted By: FayR
Date Posted: 23†October†2012 at 12:04am
Glad to hear it!


Posted By: Annoying Jamie
Date Posted: 24†October†2012 at 1:12pm

My friend went past the speed trap on the A355 in Beaconsfield and said to the PC by the road "Be nice if you could catch some burglars."

Well that was it, another PC jumped into his car and roared after my friend, stopping him in the middle of the road and then going over his car with a fine tooth comb. As hes fully insured,licenced,taxed,MOTed etc etc they found nothing and let him go after stern words about some waffle my friend didnt bother listening to. Who the HELL do these people think they are. Its not like he shouted OI F you pig. He simply said be nice if you could catch some burglars.


Posted By: Anita
Date Posted: 24†October†2012 at 1:38pm
Pity your friend didnt get his number to report him it makes my blood boil when I hear things like this.


Posted By: oldchris
Date Posted: 24†October†2012 at 2:00pm
Originally posted by Annoying Jamie Annoying Jamie wrote:

My friend went past the speed trap on the A355 in Beaconsfield and said to the PC by the road "Be nice if you could catch some burglars."

Well that was it, another PC jumped into his car and roared after my friend, stopping him in the middle of the road and then going over his car with a fine tooth comb. As hes fully insured,licenced,taxed,MOTed etc etc they found nothing and let him go after stern words about some waffle my friend didnt bother listening to. Who the HELL do these people think they are. Its not like he shouted OI F you pig. He simply said be nice if you could catch some burglars.

they hate that,
'haven't you got better things to do'....lol


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Posted By: phisch21
Date Posted: 24†October†2012 at 2:37pm
is it because Traffic police are there to deal with traffic offences not to deal with burglaries? 


Posted By: oldchris
Date Posted: 24†October†2012 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by phisch21 phisch21 wrote:

is it because Traffic police are there to deal with traffic offences not to deal with burglaries? 

that used to be the case, now they deal with anything.


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Posted By: big baggles
Date Posted: 26†October†2012 at 11:04am
they were out if force yeasterday  in CSG, with speed monitoring equipment

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Posted By: rescued
Date Posted: 27†October†2012 at 5:41pm
Originally posted by Dave-R Dave-R wrote:


Oh right!! So we re not to intervene if we see an offence being commited, so next time i see 2 officers being thrown around by a drugged up lunatic in Watford i wont help them deck him like i did last time ill stand and watch so as not to "obstruct a police officer."
By flashing you re lights you re saying "oi slow down" and ive done that on a few occasions where theres no speed trap anywhere around.


Don't be absurd. Your self aggrandising anecdotes have absolutely no relevance here at all because the situation is entirely different. If you flash your lights telling someone to slow down, you are defeating the entire object of a speed trap, as I said a couple of posts after my original one, because you've told someone it's there when the whole point of it is to catch people unaware.

Originally posted by Annoying Jamie Annoying Jamie wrote:

My friend went past the speed trap on the A355 in Beaconsfield and said to the PC by the road "Be nice if you could catch some burglars."

Well that was it, another PC jumped into his car and roared after my friend, stopping him in the middle of the road and then going over his car with a fine tooth comb. As hes fully insured,licenced,taxed,MOTed etc etc they found nothing and let him go after stern words about some waffle my friend didnt bother listening to.†Who the HELL do these people think they are. Its not like he shouted OI F you pig. He simply said be nice if you could catch some burglars.


Well to be fair, he pretty much asked for it. Never mind who the police think they are, what makes your friend think he's in a position to tell someone else how to do their job and just generally behave like a complete pr*ck?


Posted By: Dave-R
Date Posted: 28†October†2012 at 12:15pm
Oh what big words. I will continue to flash my lights to tell people to slow down and as for AJ his mate wasnt telling anyone how to do their job.Read the post before posting your ramblings.


Posted By: oldchris
Date Posted: 28†October†2012 at 1:22pm
trolls...lol

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Posted By: Annoying Jamie
Date Posted: 28†October†2012 at 4:47pm
Erm excuse me sir, my friend pays his taxes and the taxes pay the police and in a democracy he has a right to question what they do. This is not the Soviet union.


Posted By: ArtB
Date Posted: 29†October†2012 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by Annoying Jamie Annoying Jamie wrote:

Erm excuse me sir, my friend pays his taxes and the taxes pay the police and in a democracy he has a right to question what they do. This is not the Soviet union.
 
So what if for some reason, rightly or wrongly, the policeman perceived your friend's comment as a taunt, a sort of catch me if you can type of comment.
 
What would you have him do, let the person get away without recourse on the basis that it was some smart ****. or would you have him check it out properly in case it was a perpetrator of some sort. I think I'd be pleased that he checked it out.
 
If your friend has a genuine grievance he should take it up through the proper channels and not try to shoot the messenger who is doing what the democracy is asking him to do.
 
Art
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Malc London
Date Posted: 29†October†2012 at 9:00pm
"Rescued" comments might carry more weight if many police didn't speed when they are not on duty. And some when they are but not active. Having been in a car pulled over by police because the driver was black, and having four police cars surrounding us, I welcome the vote for accountability. The UKIP have a candidate who might put things right.


Posted By: oldchris
Date Posted: 29†October†2012 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by Malc London Malc London wrote:

"Rescued" comments might carry more weight if many police didn't speed when they are not on duty. And some when they are but not active. Having been in a car pulled over by police because the driver was black, and having four police cars surrounding us, I welcome the vote for accountability. The UKIP have a candidate who might put things right.

i have no idea who they all are, never heard of any of em!Confused


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