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Exactly, she says she has found full poo bags that have been thrown over but also she says that dog walkers routinely destroy the fence and tried to pull the previous fence down so that they can walk in the field rather than on the track. I said to her I had never seen any evidence of anyone having been in that field and I've never seen anyone walking dogs in there, not sure why she thinks we've got the energy or agility to climb over the fence to walk our dogs! With or without extra fencing and barbed wire ;)
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I would suggest that on the issue of dogs poo, she tries to eradicate the root cause ie the throwing of the bags
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I don't understand why people would throw full poo bags into a field. But then I don't understand why people allow their dogs to foul on the playing fields at Mill Meadow and not clean up, it is disgusting but they do! I'm not sure how she could stop people from throwing poo bags in there though?

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Maybe install a big net to catch the poo so it bounces onto the footpath :) ? She's obviously got money. I did notice tonight that a rung of the fence had been broken but a couple of nails and it's fixed. It looked quite a clean break. Trouble is if she keeps on being so aggressive the more idiotic members of the community will do their best to meet her expectations. 
 
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Originally posted by EmmaO EmmaO wrote:

.... and tried to pull the previous fence down so that they can walk in the field rather than on the track. I said to her I had never seen any evidence of anyone having been in that field and I've never seen anyone walking dogs in there, not sure why she thinks we've got the energy or agility to climb over the fence to walk our dogs! With or without extra fencing and barbed wire ;)

Why would anyone want to walk in her field rather than on the track? Presumably because the track is totally unsuitable in places to be used by pedestrians. Sounds to me if the root cause needs to be fixed.

Reading a number of the posts the complaint is that the footpath is being inadequately maintained to allow its safe use. That is what everyone should be complaining to the council about - The barbed wire 'problem' is just a symptom of the situation.

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I think it depends on who owns the land that the footpath is on. A few years ago the footpath wasn't fenced off, then the land was bought by someone for their horses and they put up the fence and built up the path.
If the woman really has bought the field because her dogs were attacked she is totally wrong. Dogs need socialisation not solitude. There are plenty of nice dogs in Chalfont. 
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Yes you are right in that the track is just a mud track and it gets very muddy so something could be done about that however! The barbed wire is at mid chest/shoulder height immediately next to the public footpath, anyone slips, trips, falls off a bike, steps backwards without thinking, reaches out for any reason they are going to grab it, it's instinctive. The path doesn't have to be muddy for any of these things to happen. I think she's got so mad with people using her field that she's popped it up without thinking it through and now is between a rock and a hard place as the vandalism she is experiencing is escalating.

She has emailed me today saying she has some specialists coming out to look at what she has done and give her guidance and then she'll make a decision and get back to me.......

I hope people stop vandalsing her stuff because that's just going to make her more desperate to protect it, understandably, and the discussion about the barbed wire is going to drag on and on.

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So, because I could slip, trip or fall off the pavement in the High Street onto the road and be hit by a passing car does that mean a 6 foot barrier fence should be put down the edge of the pavement... of course it doesn't, it's down to the user to take due care given the circumstances. If I choose to walk down the pavement when the conditions on it are unsuitable then it is down to me, the same applies in the case of the footpath.

I wonder how many reading this have a fence or wall along the front of their property adjoining a pavement? (I know I do). In all cases there will be a degree of safety hazard dependent on the position and type of fence, barbed wire or otherwise.

If I were her I would just plant a blackthorn hedgerow along the fence line. That would resolve the problem pretty soon, even keep the conservationists happy and provide a nice supply of sloe's for the local community!

Worth having a read?: http://www.environmentlaw.org.uk/rte.asp?id=207 but it would appear that the best starting point is to understand exactly where the footpath should be, everything else can be determined from that.

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I agree with some of what you are saying Art. but I don't know if the first paragraph is correct.  There is no doubt a responsibility on the user.  There is also a responsibility on the landowner especially as the issue of the hazard has been raised publicly.

Where there is something that is hazardous and no means of hazard removal / 'design out' have been put in place then things can get tricky
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It'll go round in circles this one.  Discussions around barbed wire can always be spikey!!
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