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    Posted: 07 July 2010 at 11:02am
Thank you for cutting in, I was beginning to struggle with my own composure there for a while Confused
A great forum by the way, it's great to have somewhere to discuss the future of our village.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2010 at 9:15am
Dear Flyboy

Please desist from posting inflammatory and baseless accusations on this forum. You are currently acting like a hysterical troll on this forum and I will not tolerate this not least because I am the person who will be sued because of your statements.

I have tolerated your postings as it has stimulated some productive arguments and interesting facts - however, you have recently gone beyond this by becoming personal and not reading the explanations.

Despite what local people have said to me, I welcome your input to this forum, but only factual and not random hysterical personally insulating and baseless accusations.

This of course applies to everyone on the forum and anyone who does not comply will be given time to cool off with a warning and banned for persistent offences.

Let me remind you of the broad rules we have in place.

http://www.chalfontstpeter.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=237

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2010 at 9:10am
"It has been the implied message ever since your campaign started."

I repeat, show me where we have said that we will be inundated with migrants!

IMPLIED!!!

Show me where we have "implied" that we will be inundated by migrants.

You can't.

We have maintained our campaign all along attacking the numbers, density, and apportionment, your attacks are the only place where migrants have been mentioned.

"Well, seeing as you refuse to provide the evidence of your claims, what can anyone infer from your responses?"

I have given you all the proof you need for all the facts, yet you do not read or acknowledge any of it, you just continue saying that I have not supplied you with proof. This shows how unreasonable you are.

I am sure that there some more people who would mistakenly think that 600 more houses in our village would be a good thing. But you are the only argumentative, rude obtuse little man in our village.

"No you don't. You have already declared several times that you do not want ANY new homes built here at all."

We have declared many many times that we would welcome 100-120 new homes at the Holy Cross site. READ OUR LITERATURE YOU SILLY MAN! Stop making false claims about us. If you can show where we have said this then please demonstrate - you can't.

"Again, more claims about "figures." Where are these figures you speak of? Does Prestwood, Heath End and Great Missenden really have better education services than us? What health facilities do they have that are better than ours? Which towns have better resources than us, that can accept more housing?"

These figures are once again in the Draft Core Strategy, that big book that you haven't read that is at the centre of this whole row.

"But it will more than likely take a lot longer than that for these and other homes to be occupied. Or do you know differently? Plenty of time for you to work with the service providers to improve the infrastructure."

In your deluded mind, do you really think that the Council will wait years to fill up these houses when there is such a nationwide shortfall. Get real!

"... there seems to be no dialogue from you, to work with the District Council in order to help resolve this issue. You would rather work on the basis that the housing development will not go ahead, so therefore you will not compromise on accepting that it will.
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We have been consistently asking CDC and Bucks to meet with us and our planning consultant, it is a matter of much contention, it is they who refuse to meet us - it is their duty as elected public servants to hear our concerns, yet they will still will not meet with us. It is the dogma that surrounds CDC that has caused a stalemate, we have tried very hard to resolve our differences and come to a compromise, but if they refuse to meet us we have to stand our ground.

"But they are not lies, are they? You know my assertions are based in truth, this is why you cannot produce the evidence to refute it.
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As I have proved several times, they are fabrications and lies, you do not know the facts, you do not know what we represent, you don't even know what CDC represent, you are completely detached from the reality.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2010 at 8:38am
Go onto CDC's website, type in Draft Core Strategy and read it for yourself. You can read can't you? Because to date you appear to have avoided reading everything. I bet you haven't even looked at the DCS or the Gerald Eve planning application. You do not have a grasp on reality.
You need to do your homework.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2010 at 2:55am
Originally posted by SENSE SENSE wrote:

Flyboy, please can you be so kind as to point out where we have said that we will be overrun by migrants?
It has been the implied message ever since your campaign started.

Quote Your quality of argument is so thin that you have to resort to lying and making things up about us.
 
Well, seeing as you refuse to provide the evidence of your claims, what can anyone infer from your responses?

Quote This is paramount to playground politics.
You are obviously a habitual liar, even your story about overhearing a conversation on Feast Day is fabricated, it was you who was being rude to my colleague, you don't even have the guts to own up to it - how very sad!

And you were there were you? You know who I am? I was visiting the stall next door, when I heard the other gentleman in conversation with your representatives. I heard  the lies being perpetuated by them and his reaction to some very insulting assumptions. If you are so sure it was me, show us all the proof. But you cannot, becasue it doesn't exist, as I was not the person to whom they were talking.
 
Or are you so dogmatically convinced of your own rhetoric, that you will not allow yourself to believe that there is more than just one person who is against this crusade of yours.

Quote I really must apologise to other members of this forum, I am growing weary of defending SENSE from these unnecessary barrages.

This man keeps quoting nonsense about us, when it is clear he has no idea about what we represent,
 
I am fully aware of what you represent.
 
These so-called barrages are very necessary. They are to dispel the myths and mistruths you are intent on spreading.
 
Quote he hasn't read any of our material, he is just making it all up and ranting away like a self proclaimed modern day Robin Hood standing up for the poor people against the evil greedy local action group. I do not have the time to retort everything he says, he is painting a picture that we are hypocritical, xenophobic, liars with secret agenda
 
Well, that just about sums it up.
 
Your constant referral to different sections of society, in a cynical attempt to appeal to the non-existent bigotry, that you assume the citizens of our village have, speaks volumes about your agenda.
 
Quote when we simply want a fair distribution of housing in our district.

No you don't. You have already declared several times that you do not want ANY new homes built here at all.

Quote We are being dumped on by CDC, as is Little Chalfont, we do not have the infrastructure to cope.
 
Then campaign on that premise. Not on one that is designed to portray this village as a fortress of middle class xenophobia and prejudice.
 
 
Quote CDC have taken the easy option and have allocated a heavy distribution of housing to CSP, when towns that have their own transport links into London, better road networks, better education and health facilities with infrastructures to suit are getting away with significantly less proportions. We all know the figures and they speak for themselves.
 
Again, more claims about "figures." Where are these figures you speak of? Does Prestwood, Heath End and Great Missenden really have better education services than us? What health facilities do they have that are better than ours? Which towns have better resources than us, that can accept more housing?

Quote Where will all of the less advantaged people in Great Missenden, Heath End and Prestwood find low cost housing when it is all destined for CSP?
 
But we don't see you engaging with the people of those villages and towns, to campaign with them for better housing; I assume it is because they are not local to you. You don't have any of their interests as a priority.
 
 
Quote We will see a net increase of 10% housing within 2-3 years, how could we possibly cope with that influx of humanity when our infrastructure has not been afforded similar increases,
 
But it will more than likely take a lot longer than that for these and other homes to be occupied. Or do you know differently? Plenty of time for you to work with the service providers to improve the infrastructure.
 
Quote when our schools have not been expanded to cope,
 
There you go again, more fear mongering. You have not been able to come up with a jot of evidence that our schools will be overburdened. What is the point of expanding the schools now, when we don't know how many children they will need to accommodate?
 
If we are to believe your assumption that there will be a net increase of ten per cent in housing, bearing in mind that many of them will be occupied by the elderly and by the single without any children, it does not automatically follow that we will see a similar increase in five year old children. Your assertion that parents applied to have more children educated at Chalfont Saint Peter Junior School than there were places, assumes that this will be made worse by the fact the every household in the new development, will arrive with a seven year old child, wanting to go to that one school. You have conveniently forgotten to mention that we have two other combined primary schools in the village and two infant schools (most people forget Maids Moreton). Not to mention Jordans, Seer Green, Gerrards Cross and Chalfont Saint Giles, with Little Chalfont being further afield (Bell Lane now being at half capacity).
 
 
Quote when we don't have local employment opportunities or decent transport links and when our gridlocked roads are being constrained still further? This is not good town planning, CDC simply don't care what happens in CSP, they see us as a worthwhile sacrifice to hide their poor social housing performance. It just doesn't make sense.

I agree, the traffic planning needs reviewing, but there seems to be no dialogue from you, to work with the District Council in order to help resolve this issue. You would rather work on the basis that the housing development will not go ahead, so therefore you will not compromise on accepting that it will.

Quote ... and why is this ridiculous man challenging our sound logic?

Go on then, let us all know why.
 
Your campaign is has no basis in logic at all. It is based on the assumption of fear.

Quote I'm afraid I am away for a while, I expect to return to pages and pages of more schoolboy lies.
 
But they are not lies, are they? You know my assertions are based in truth, this is why you cannot produce the evidence to refute it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 July 2010 at 12:40am
Originally posted by SENSE SENSE wrote:

CDC's Draft Core Strategy highlights the fact that the Chilterns are subject to a higher influx of families with children than other areas, this is due to the good quality schools that we have here, the restrictive catchment areas mean that villages like CSP, CSG and Little Chalfont are targeted by families moving from London with young children.
So whilst the birth rate might be in line with the national average or even be less as Flyboy suggests, we still have unusually larger proportions of children compared to other districts.
 
I don't supppose you have any actual figures to support such a claim, do you?
 
 
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Flyboy, please can you be so kind as to point out where we have said that we will be overrun by migrants?

Your quality of argument is so thin that you have to resort to lying and making things up about us.
This is paramount to playground politics.
You are obviously a habitual liar, even your story about overhearing a conversation on Feast Day is fabricated, it was you who was being rude to my colleague, you don't even have the guts to own up to it - how very sad!

I really must apologise to other members of this forum, I am growing weary of defending SENSE from these unnecessary barrages.

This man keeps quoting nonsense about us, when it is clear he has no idea about what we represent, he hasn't read any of our material, he is just making it all up and ranting away like a self proclaimed modern day Robin Hood standing up for the poor people against the evil greedy local action group. I do not have the time to retort everything he says, he is painting a picture that we are hypocritical, xenophobic, liars with secret agenda when we simply want a fair distribution of housing in our district.

We are being dumped on by CDC, as is Little Chalfont, we do not have the infrastructure to cope. CDC have taken the easy option and have allocated a heavy distribution of housing to CSP, when towns that have their own transport links into London, better road networks, better education and health facilites with infrastructures to suit are getting away with significantly less proportions. We all know the figures and they speak for themselves.

Where will all of the less advantaged people in Great Missenden, Heath End and Prestwood find low cost housing when it is all destined for CSP? We will see a net increase of 10% housing within 2-3 years, how could we possibly cope with that influx of humanity when our infrastructure has not been afforded similar increases, when our schools have not been expanded to cope, when we don't have local employment opportunities or decent transport links and when our gridlocked roads are being constrained still further? This is not good town planning, CDC simply don't care what happens in CSP, they see us as a worthwhile sacrifice to hide their poor social housing performance. It just doesn't make sense.

... and why is this ridiculous man challenging our sound logic?

I'm afraid I am away for a while, I expect to return to pages and pages of more schoolboy lies.


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CDC's Draft Core Strategy highlights the fact that the Chilterns are subject to a higher influx of families with children than other areas, this is due to the good quality schools that we have here, the restrictive catchment areas mean that villages like CSP, CSG and Little Chalfont are targeted by families moving from London with young children.
So whilst the birth rate might be in line with the national average or even be less as Flyboy suggests, we still have unusually larger proportions of children compared to other districts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 July 2010 at 6:02pm
Seeing as we are not as overrun with migrants as SENSE is trying to make us believe, I would imagine that out here, we are balancing the average. By which I mean that the fertility rate for this area is much less than it is for say, London, Manchester or Birmingham.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 July 2010 at 2:48pm
Not a significant drop, it needs to be sustained over a number of years.
 
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Official figures from the Office for National Statistics show that the fertility rate – the average number of children per woman in England and Wales – rose steadily over the past decade following a slump in the 1960s and 1970s and a plateau throughout the 1980s and 1990s.

Immigrant mothers, many from the new Eastern European members of the EU, drove a baby boom that led to a record 61.4million population in Britain by mid-2008.

But new data published on Tuesday show that during 2009, the fertility rate and the total number of births both fell for the first time since the turn of the millennium.

There was a 0.3 per cent drop in the overall number of live births, from 708,711 in 2008 to 706,248 in 2009 - the first annual drop since 2001. "

 
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